In the Nazirene Ebionite Disciple Forums we often get spiritually disenfranchised ideologues attempting to correct and teach us. In a reply which made reference to the reality that each person's chickens in life come home to roost (see Chickens Come Home To Roost
), a person named Ben quoted what I had written and wrote: "What this means is that the persons infirmity was not only caused by their own sinful past, " This is erroneous doctrine. It was exposed as erroneous doctrine by Jesus. He did this when he was asked if a certain man suffered for his own sin or his father's sin(and for those who believe in reincarnation we could even say for the sin of their past self).
To this statement of profound ignorance by one who dwells in what Jesus called the "outer darkness" of mind and being, I replied:
I don't understand how you could be a member of this forum for any length of time, and not only reject the words of Jesus, the early pre-Nicene Church, or the evidence and facts that have been set before you. Do you live in a cocoon which you just emerged from?
What did Jesus say was the cause of the infirmities of man -- i.e., a simple reading of the Biblical Mindset on the Christian Reincarnation page will provide you the answer you are looking for at http://reincarnation.nazirene.org/#BiblicalFoundation
. Notice the statement of Jesus: "...sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee" (John 5:14 KJV).
Just above this in the heading entitled Judgment Of Those Who Drink From The Cup Of The Lord Unworthily, you will find the quotation of Paul stating that for this reason, believers such as yourself "For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep" (1 Cor 11:27-30 NKJ).
This is descriptive of you, because you dwell in what Jesus portrayed as the "outer darkness"
of mind and being (see http://DivineStrategery.com#OuterDarkness
). And if you ask how I know that you dwell in the outer darkness? It is because you are without knowledge of the past lives that your own soul has lived -- and you do not understand the meaning of the scriptures or of the cycles of life.
In the above, if a person is born blind because of the question presented by the disciples: "...And his disciples asked him saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?" This question was asked by the disciples in reference to those who were portrayed as being imprisoned (see The Prison). But in Jesus' answer in John, it is clarified that this man was not born blind because of being imprisoned -- but rather, because he shares the plight of all mankind with respect to the inherent conditions of the organic physical body and mind which dwells in the "outer darkness" of mind and being (see Outer Darkness): "Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work" (John 9:3-4 KJV). Having only attained the first stage of birth in the physical, all of mankind is born inherently blind to their own higher soul and spiritual reality, and what is portrayed as the Mysteries of the Kingdom of God (see Mysteries). It is interesting to note that the Pharisees who it is documented well understood that each person is born into this world in accord with their previous actions (see Biblical Foundational Mindset), said to the man who had been healed: "You were completely born in sins, and are you teaching us?" (John 9:34 NKJ). The fact that the majority of people who read the scriptures do not have this same biblically indigenous mindset -- and attempt to understand the scriptures from a totally different foundational mindset and thinking -- makes it near impossible for them to perceive and comprehend the true meaning of the scriptures (any scriptures) and the Bible. In the same way that the Apostle Peter in the above explained that Simon Magus was ordained by the Prince of the Left to bring tribulation to those who were imprisoned (see The Prison) -- and test those who have only underwent the first stage of birth and dwell in the "outer darkness" -- Peter explains about Simon: "He is a power of the left hand of God, and has authority to do harm to those who know not God". This Left Hand Power and Authority is portrayed as the Citizen of the Far Country in the parable of the prodigal son. In the same way that in the Book of Job what is portrayed as Satan is dispatched into the world to test Job -- who perseveres against the Laws (Satan), and overcomes by bringing about the next stage of birth. Because of its great importance to what is being presented, I will quoted the subheading entitled Teachings On Soul Evolution from the Gospel Of The Nazirenes web page: On page 220 of Fragments Of A Faith Forgotten by GRS Mead, he quotes the Septuagint and writes: Job ii. 9: "And I am a wanderer, changing place after place and house after house." The... passage is found in the version of the Seventy, but is omitted in the English translation. In the Gospel of the Nazirenes this passage is contained: "So through many changes must you be made perfect, as it is written in the book of Job, 'I am a wanderer, changing place after place and house after house, until I come into the city and mansion which is eternal.'" And this is the portrayal of the journey of the soul that has been removed from the scriptures used by the common believers. When Yeshua said that you must be born again, this next stage of birth cannot be accomplished with mere words -- but is the result of the necessary process of spiritual transformation that is brought about by walking in TheWay, overcoming the Laws within one's self, and achieving the necessary Completion at this level of being. Thus, the more complete interaction with Nicodemus is presented in the 37th Chapter: "Yeshua sat in the porch of the temple, and some came to learn His doctrine, and one said to Him, Master, what do you teach concerning life? And He said to them, Blessed are they who suffer many experiences, for they will be made perfect through suffering; they will be as the angels of God in heaven and will die no more. Neither will they be born any more, for death and birth have no more dominion over them. They who have suffered and have overcome will be made pillars of the temple of my God, and they will go out no more. I say to you, except you be born again of water and of fire, you cannot see the kingdom of God. And a certain Rabbi, Nicodemus, came to Him by night for fear of the Jews, and said to Him, How can a man be born again when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born again? Yeshua answered Except a man be born again of flesh and of spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God. The wind blows where it lists, and you hear the sound of it, but can not tell from where it comes or to where it goes. The light shines from the East even to the West; out of the darkness. The sun rises and sets into darkness again; so is it with man, from the ages to the ages. When it cometh from the darkness, it is that he has lived before, and when it goes down again into darkness, it is that he may rest for a little, and there after again exist. So through many changes must you be made perfect, as it is written in the book of Job, 'I am a wanderer, changing place after place and house after house, until I come into the city and mansion which is eternal. And Nicodemus said to him, How can these things be? And Yeshua answered , You are a teacher in Israel, and do not understand these things? Truly, we speak that which we know, and bear witness to that which we have seen, and you do not receive our witness. If I tell you of earthly things, and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you of heavenly things? No one ascends into heaven, unless they descended out of heaven, even the son or daughter of man which is in Heaven." That this above saying is authentic is demonstrated in the fact that it is quoted by the Church Father Hippolytus in his Refutation of All Heresies, Bk VIII, 3, where he writes: "And that these things are so, says (the Docetic), it is possible also to perceive from Job, when he uses the following words: "And I am a wanderer, changing both place after place, and house after house.'"
In a similar manner that Jesus asked Nicodemus: You come here to teach us what is correct and incorrect doctrine -- or what Jesus taught -- and you do not understand the above? On www.DivineStrategery.com
you will find a whole section exploring The Laws That Perfect Mankind - Cause And Effect
-- and you will find the important pre-Nicene Church teachings. The fact that the most important spiritual teachings were removed from the Gospels is proven as fact at http://BibleCorruption.com
. And you will find much important information on The Ten Reasons Why The Church Rejects The Pre-Existent Soul at http://Ebionite.com/reincarnation.htm
. Additionally, in the opening of the Christian Reincarnation page ( http://ChristianReincarnation.org
), I demonstrate that the modern doctrines of the Church are simply not supported AT ALL, in the New Testament. Moreover. the historical man Jesus was able to fulfill the Law and become the Messiah at what is portrayed as his baptism in the Jordan (see http://TheTenWords.com
), by virtue of all that he accomplished over the course of the previous lifetimes his soul had lived.
Do you really want to dispute all of the facts that have been presented to you? Perhaps the time has come where sincere seekers embrace the facts, and cease to be led by those who Jesus portrayed as "blind guides"!!! The fact that they make a lot of money by virtue of the cream of the collection plates by saying what people want to hear, regardless of the facts, is only orchestrating the spiritual demise of the Congregation of Believers who cling to their counterfeit doctrines of belief that are based upon their own self-imposed blindness.
Brother of Yeshua/Jeus